i remember when mohamed ali took a stand. it was quite controversial. we have to have patience. >> you mentioned dr. king. that happened -- you know i wasn't around. you know, i was around, but i was a wee little one. but dr. king was not loved in his time for what he did. >> absolutely not. and that's why it takes great courage. it's so easy today to say those things that are familiar and quite popular. but in the midst of those masses who go with the flow, there's always people who speak out against it sometimes rightly or wrongly. but we must defend their right to say what they want to say even when we don't agree. >> that's what ware all about. and the controversy had died down. some people called it a stunt and then him and the president