gross or per vert. it seems like criminal behavior. >> this does raise an interesting side point, which could get me in trouble, so obviously he's accused of rape. that's obviously a black and white issue, right? groping is obviously wrong. threatening, quid pro quo, if you don't do this -- those are obviously like criminal and evil things to do. >> oh, god there's going to be a but and you're going to regret saying it. >> however, however -- so he denies any unwanted sexual contact, at least for now. we should say that. i guess my question is, what are the rules? what are the rules? because if you are a -- if you are a powerful man, if you're a boss, he called these by him, by the way, colleagues. i don't know if they're colleagues or suborder natures but what are the rules? >> are you really asking that? >> did you listen to that tape?