this way, it was throwing ember casts, it was throwing embers way out. it could be a quarter mile, half a mile, every one of those embers is going to land in that vegetation and start a fire, that's how receptive this vegetation is in california right now, as i speak. once those fires start from those embers, they grow and grow and grow. and they'll actually add to the speed of the main body of the fire, they'll draw the main body of the fire to them. and with the wind pushing it as well. >> don't question, first of all, the fact that an ember can travel a half mile or mile, and light down and start another fire is extraordinary, if it does that and it starts a new fire, that draws the existing fire to it? >> it can, yes. as that -- a new fire, that new start develops and starts growing and growing and growing, we're talking a decent size of fire that's developed from that, it still has time to grow, that fire could be like i said, maybe three quarters of a mile away,