idea of purpose. you are making, not intentionally, i'm sure, you are making a constructive case for why xenophobia is on the rise. this muslim guy has 19 million followers. more proof that is no faith of peace. islam is out to get us, and you just proved it with those numbers. what's the response? >> well, my argument is opposite that. that to me is a counter insurgency approach to immigration. and that's failed us. billions of dollars we have spent on isis, billions of dollars, american lives, many other lives lost. we need i think a public health approach. if you think of isis like -- not every brown person is a potential extremist. we have muslim american heroes. we want to make this country safe. we have to think it more akin to an std or herpes. it is spread through intimate