i think conservative voters, republican voters, have to ask themselves, do you ever want to be believed again? because what you're saying is, particularly trump, and maybe with this guy, it really doesn't matter what you do, as long as you're on my side and you're going to do my bidding. like, the morality seems to be out the window on the right about all of this. and that is a very disturbing thing. and i think long-term, that is politically detrimental. >> so let's talk about morality, okay, jason? and this is -- i want to -- this is what's happening down in alabama. the state auditor spoke to the "washington examiner" and said this about moore. this is a quote. "he's as clean as a houndstooth. take joseph and mary. mary was a teenager and joseph was an adult carpenter. they became parents of jesus. there's just nothing immoral or illegal here, ziegler concluded. maybe just a little bit unusual." >> well, look, i was the only jewish kid in a catholic school, but i paid enough attention to understand that the relationship between mary and joseph was different than the