we're getting this picture of a blanket of denials and more disclosures of these contacts. the most innocent explanation, this was complete hackery and amateur hour within a campaign that would look around anywhere for dirt on hillary clinton without regard for consequences or something far worse. that's what mueller is trying to do and put together. >> why doesn't this show coordination between don junior and the campaign and wikileaks? >> it definitely shows communication. candid candidly, alisyn, it's hard for me not to say it shows coordination in that you have wikileaks direct messaging don junior saying hey, you should have your dad send this link out and 15 minutes later the presidential candidate at that point sends the link out. >> bingo. what more -- >> no. >> why not bingo? >> i'll tell you why. >> the argument could be made he just happened to do that. it's mere coincidence. i'm a big believer in there are