$35,000. working poor people and democrats are against it. it will free people from having to -- if they can't afford obamacare, they will free them from paying a penalty. that makes this whole tax system more progressive because you are cutting taxes for people at the bottom. fredricka, i thought you said the problem with the bill is it doesn't cut taxes for people at the bottom. >> it doesn't. they added up the numbers. it doesn't cut for people at the bottom. what steve is talking about on the mandate, you are failing to mention what the actual people who add up the numbers show. if you try to sabotage the exchanges that are working which is what this bill is trying to do, the prices will go up for everyone else, not just for the people who get to choose not to follow the mandate. everyone else who tries to buy health insurance because half the people leave see the prices go up. >> the argument is there may not