>> eventually. and i also want to get you on what you make of evolving defense theory coming from donald trump's personal attorney and white house attorneys. you had john dowd floating donald trump cannot obstruct justice. but now you have ty cobb from the white house, i don't know, downplaying talking to the "washington post" saying they're focused on a fact-based defense not a mere legal defense. one of my initial questions, is why aren't all these folks on the same page when it comes to something as fundamental as this? >> they may not know the facts. that happened during watergate with james st. clair making statements about what nixon knew and didn't know. nixon hadn't been candid with his attorney either, so it's very easy for that to happen. as for dowd, you know, i think he is trying to defend his client, but he's putting words in his mouth that are very dangerous, giving him knowledge