>> there are three broad streams that mueller has under inquiry. one is financial crimes, that may be the activities that relate to the donald trump/kushner ecosystem of business and they're dealings with russian oligarchs and organized crime. the second is conspiracy. we call it collusion, but it's conspiracy to defraud the federal election commission or to violate the computer fraud and abuse act, or receiving stolen property styled offenses. and the last is obstruction of justice. those are the three streams in broad terms mueller has ongoing. the mantra of no collusion is of no relevance to any of those three work streams. he can say it all he wants, it doesn't mean anything in the end. >> how do you see this playing out? >> i think there's a little bit of a jedi mind trick happening.