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Collusion may not be a crime. the crime could be anything from money laundering, obstruction of justice, it could be a number of things. i'm not saying they will be charged with that or the president did it, that's just a possibility. >> there are three broad streams that mueller has under inquiry. one is financial crimes, that may be the activities that relate to the donald trump/kushner ecosystem of business and they're dealings with russian oligarchs and organized crime. the second is conspiracy. to defraud the elections commission. or receiving stolen property styled owe fences. and the la...

Tactic. these are conditions that are not illegally required. giuliani is trying to put in place some terms mueller can agree to. i don't see why mueller would agree to, show his whole entire hand to giuliani to get trump to sit down with him for an interview. no doubt he wants to talk to him, his other option is to serve a subpoena on him. that brings the potential of litigation and contenscious arguments. i'm sure he'd rather secure his testimony through a voluntarily sit down. i'm sure he'll have to move on and issue his support without the subpoena or testimony. >> giuliani set a deadline,...

>> there are three broad streams that mueller has under inquiry. one is financial crimes, that may be the activities that relate to the donald trump/kushner ecosystem of business and they're dealings with russian oligarchs and organized crime. the second is conspiracy. we call it collusion, but it's conspiracy to defraud the federal election commission or to violate the computer fraud and abuse act, or receiving stolen property styled offenses. and the last is obstruction of justice. those are the three streams in broad terms mueller has ongoing. the mantra of no collusion is of no relevance t...