so how do investigators go about that yp probing, getting this kind of hard information but at the same time being very sensitive? >> this is the real trick to the whole thing because they're really in bad shape emotionally. i mean, nobody doubts that. say you want to talk to them. what you would love to have is a child psychologist or an adult psychologist, depending who you're dealing with, in the room. but then the defense can say somebody -- somebody put them up to this, that they were manipulated psychologically. so it's going to take some of the most deft and compassionate interviewing that you've ever seen. and at the same time, they're going to have to be very strong in asking for specific facts, and then the kids probably aren't going to remember dates. i mean, i doubt these kids had access to calendars to know when