being, that being said, some of the concerns he brings up, you talk about the -- the impression that the american public now has of the fbi. how damaging is that to the work that your former colleagues are now doing every day. and to the outcome of the investigations or whatever they're working on? >> the president of the fbi association tom o'connell, good man, i know him from my time on the job, he's come down and put out a couple of unprecedented press releases saying that he believes that it is having a deleterious effect on the rank and file. i talked to tons of on board employees that are in the opposite corner that say, you can't think that fbi agents aren't savvy enough to know this is the president punching down and doing some unseemly ways of approaching this, attacking certain senior leadership that josh didn't mention that made some egregious mistakes. >> we know chris wray has come out and sent messages to the rank and file, to the folks