>> that's why i'm asking you. >> well, i know how i would have tried to negotiate it. but i'm not there. i'm outside. i'm not inside. i don't know where the elasticity is to make this. on the basic proposition that if you had a wall that provided us security that wasn't just an absolute waste of money meaning national technical means to protect it and all these kids had a path to citizenship, i'd be inclined to do that. >> you'd give trump the political victory in order to get the dreamer deal done? >> i don't care about his political victory. that's not how i view politics, whether or not it's a personal victory or not. >> when you go to speak to the democrats now, this is going to be a big deal. they have to figure out some very fundamental things. being anti-trump probably won't be enough. what is the challenge for your party? >> the challenge is for us to step up and offer concrete answers, which we're doing. for example, when we talk about, you know, the plight of the