afftone-deafness and insensitivity. and the fact this one gine in his official capacity, never mind what he was doing in his off hours but in his official capacity was apparently well liked and efficient. >> do you think that's what it is, jack. hey, he went to harvard and he can't be a wife beater. >> well, i think they're operating in this dr. jekyll mr. had i h hyde kind of mode. number one, if john kelly did know about this then he acted negligently. there's no argument there. i do want to make the point -- >> i'm glad you made that point. >> but he knew about it. >> there is no known source that says they knew about it.