it is not clear there is a viable replacement for him to go. he is in a fight right now to get a budget deal passed and implemented. we heard that president trump in the past has been interested in mike pompeo. it would create a major shuffle if john kelly was to leave. it could put strikes on motherhood. >> over to you, i want you to listen to mike pence in an interview last night with lester holt at nbc news, watch. >> well, i was appalled when i learned of the allegations against rob porter. the time that he resigned is when i first heard about it.