him to have this gun -- >> you refuse to have any conversation about sensible gun legislation. >> i love having conversation. debate now, it's feisty, i'm enjoying it. >> you refuse to even have our lawmakers take on possible legislation for sensible gun legislation. >> i'm all in favor of debate. >> but not legislation. >> right. >> to answer the question, no, you're not. so there's nothing we can do, it ends there, we're done. >> no, we should try to do things. we should try to do measures to stop this from happening. what i'm saying is -- >> i don't think you know what you're saying, actually. >> sure i do. >> no, you don't, i don't think you know what you're saying. >> what you call commonsense gun legislation are minor matters that do not in most cases interact with these shootings -- >> could you say that to the face of the mom who was on here earlier? >> the politics are changing on this. these students are going to go out and they're going to be activists and they're going to vote against guns. >> it doesn't change fact is. >> these students are going to change the world. they were chanting, no more guns. this debate is opening, rich.