if he would have known that he was going to be shot, because he's a coward. he tried to escape. he did actually escape. they had a great policeman in a different community found him. >> joining us now, samuel zeiff. he and his younger brother survived the shooting at stoneman douglas high school. his brother joaquin oliver, unfortunately, was killed. you had a chance to address the president of the united states yesterday. how did you come away from that extraordinary meeting at the white house? >> thank you for having me, wolf. i was still on white house property when i got notified of the nra's decision that day -- >> the nra decision to oppose lowering -- raising the age limit to 21 to buy rifles? >> yes. and i just feel like, you know, everyone saw on his notecard it