more acting out, unless kelly and he have formed some kind of bond, which most interesting here is he's allowed kelly to push his son-in-law out. we'll see though. >> right. and april what is the reaction inside the white house? you know, white house which let's be honest, leaks like a sieve and almost negatively. but hope hicks was someone there hadn't been leaked. seemed to be well-liked by a lot of people. what's the reaction inside the white house and perception of the boss when he is losing someone as important as she was to him? >> well, there are people who can step into that role. and one person that we haven't talked about, kellyanne conway. i know when the president has gotten in trouble on dwtwitter, she's gone to him and said sir, how hcan i help you, talk to hi that way. and he liens on her somewhat.