trafr tariffs on classic american goods, look at this. orange juice, bourbon peanut butter, cranberries, motorcycles. that's a lot, that could cost the american public. >> all i'll say is this -- >> that's a bad idea. >> the european and allies are trying to be circumspect. they picked a few public goods, things that are -- have high visibility. but they did -- they are actively trying not to launch an escalating trade war. but you saw donald trump when they said they were going to put ta tariffs, you saw donald trump shoot out and say, well, i'll put 25% tariffs on all european cars if they respond. that's how you start recessions or worse. >> that's a trade war is it not. >> it is. and that's why i think it would be really bad advice. i would not advise the europeans to start slapping tariffs on blue jeans