especially at early stages, they will have a lot of preparatory work do to coordinate with our allies and put together a joint negotiating position that offers real value and is compelling to the north koreans. >> is there any reason to not do this? a lot of the an nap simaalysis is along the lines that, well, a, it flies in the face of convention, and, b, it is dangerous, and, c, mr. trump could be giving kim jung-un a political win or symbolic win by meeting with him and then actually nothing happens. but still he has elevated him to that position on the world stage where kim jung-un would be meeting with the u.s. president. my question is, so what? what is there to lose by trying this? >> i agree that this is an area where convention has not served us well. so the obama administration with