campaigns to luke oil as it's then also telling luke oil, by the way, we have all these massive data assets at our disposal for an oil company in russia. it doesn't make sense. >> luke oil says, christopher, that they never hired cambridge analytica but don't deny receiving a presentation about the data firm's capabilities. they say it was to promote their gas stations in turkey. do you think that's true? >> well, if that's true, why was he talking -- why did he create a pitch deck that was about setting up disinformation and rumor campaigns? i mean why is it that he sent, you know, my whitepaper on the data harvesting capabilities of the company and what we were doing in america if it was to do with turkey? i don't -- like how does that make any sense? >> mm-hmm. when you spoke to the observer, you described yourself as a gay canadian vegan who somehow ended