whether this was a pardon discussion between the president and his legal counsel about the broad scope of his pardon powers generally speaking, which would be appropriate, or the pop possibility that they were talking about pardoning with the prospect of witness tampering or abusing their office. assuming it was under discussion what the intent might have been with respect to the pardon contemplatio contemplation. >> elise, i see you nodding. >> that's exactly the point. the president has wide discretion to pardon someone for really almost anything. and it's one of those things that, you know, we as citizens think well, you know, is that really proper, the pardon power