those who would disagree with countercharges about lying, media intelligence, so-called judges, fake news, washington insiders and the deep state. talk to me more about that. >> so the friction points -- i can just do this as an observer. the friction points of the trump campaign and the trump administration, all right, have been mostly with intelligence, law enforcement, the courts, science, scholarship, and you, journalism. what do those six approaches have in common? they're evidence-based. they're fact-based. we know intelligence can get it wrong, journalism can get it wrong, science can get it wrong, but the idea is to approach problem, trying to pursue the accurate view of objective reality. there's no safe haven for journalism or intelligence other than our pursuit of the truth. and that's why we have such high friction with this administration. >> how do you respond to the criticism or the critics who say this is just anti-trump hysteria, that he's actually