attorney before television, and his point is that rudy loves being the center of attention on tv. and after he left the mayoralty, he was in the vast waste land. now he's been called back from oblivion and he relished going on the hannity program and he let his mouth get away from him. >> i think this will help everyone make the point. because he -- rudy giuliani told "the washington post" that he paid cohen with his personal funds because they never considered this a campaign payment. but he also said this. watch this. >> imagine if that came out on october 15th, 2016 in the middle of the last debate with hillary clinton. >> right, so to make it go away -- >> cohen didn't even ask. cohen made it go away. he did his job. >> okay. >> case closed. >> so to make it go away, fwauz the campaign was going impacted.