? >> i think a lot of these companies are embarrassed that they are embroiled with the president's attorney who is not under investigation. a lot of them have come out and said the services he provided for us were completely legal, they were business advice. a number of them have said we've also heard from special counsel robert mueller and we're cooperating in that investigation. so they've ended up in certainly a mess that they did not consider. look, this really does highlight the desperate state corporate america was in. they said this a guy who knows the president. they didn't care or didn't bother to do their due diligence to see if he knew anything about washington or policy and companies didn't get a lot of return on their investment. >> legal but it doesn't mean it's not swampy, right? >> swampy. >> i'm going to go with that. novartis has a top exec who ends up having dinner in davos with the president.