so you tend to get these repeated lines of attack, you know. if they're going for the stomach, they tend to be a sewing machine kind of action. >> anthony: is your first order of business deflecting or getting the damn knife away from them? >> mark: right. i'm either going to gain control of the weapon or go to a returning blade technique where i gain control of the weapon and return it to sender. >> anthony: right. >> mark: yeah. >> anthony: show me. >> mark: okay. ♪ the thing about knife defense is there's no, there's no magic code. any technique can fail. any technique can go wrong. and if there's multiple opponents, that can get a bit difficult as well. yeah? that's the other thing, yeah? >> anthony: right. >> mark: so, if you've got the