person was there and oh, we had this conversation and i forgot about that conversation, it does, you know, show the various threads at play here. >> it certainly does, and in some sense, an analogy of what steve was saying is that it's hard to believe within the trump team that there wasn't communication with the ongoing meetings with the russians and they're attempting to deny that they happened or they were unaware of it or they were compartmentalized. it really doesn't hold up. for example, going back to the transcript was don junior where he said he takes this meeting and he lets jared and paul manafort know about it, but his recollection and he doesn't tell them anything about the substance of the meeting and i think it's rather unlikely and they'll not come up with the value of the meeting and what the substance is and there has to be more communication between them and if there is, then it's very likely that that communication specifically was talking about these russian meetings.