you're deflecting. >> it wasn't about russia. >> if someone calls country s-holes, we say that's great. that's great if the president does that. if someone says there are fine people on both sides, how do you spin that? if someone is rude to a gold star widow on a phone call are we supposed to spin that? you still didn't answer the question. >> the key to this president is you have to -- >> he says outrageous things every day. >> but you have to look at the results on -- >> he says and does outrageous things every day. he attacks institutions. he attacks norms. he does things that are -- he doesn't attack back institutions. he's undermining institutions.