enemies, comey, fitzgerald. the question is is it illegal the sending of the message? i don't think we're there yet. >> jason, is a message being sent snc sent? >> no. i think that's silly. jack johnson has been dead for 70 year. >> he's an out liar. >> look at martha stewart who served her time and done with that. trying to say it's sending a message to trump associates is silly. every president pardons people. some of their supporters say great. others will hate him. i have remember when -- >> those are at the end. >> the mark ridge pardon was a mistake. >> even chelsea manning's sentence was a mistake.