so he's the aggressor that president trump wanted. >> it's exactly -- he's doing exactly what his client wants. and he's eroding public trust in the mueller investigation. and he's eroding it now because of the mid-term elections. and he wants the republicans to remain in control of both houses as well as get rid of a trump investigation, the russian investigation if he can, or damage it severely. >> scott, dana opponents out that his mission, the mission is transparent. but is it working? >> i think it is working because giuliani is out there speaking and throwing out these bombs, and the special counsel office says nothing. now that's probably by protocol what they're supposed to do. but as a purely public opinion matter if you have somebody lobbing attack after attack at your operation, whatever that operators is, some of the stuff is going to stick.