it is a nuclear power that is made pretty clear if it can't reach the united states now, it is going to be able to pretty soon. so it has a little bit of a tinge of those cold war days to it. whether or not that communique is substantive enough for us to say that a real breakthrough has been made, i have m doubts. i think one area they will mack a lot of progress on is they'll be some declaration they're moving to a peace treaty and away from the armistice that was signed in 1953 that left the korean war and the sort of suspended state. but that doesn't take you all that much closer to what secretary pompeo is talking about, complete verifiable, irreversible denuclearization. >> if you're north korea, why give up your nuclear weapons? it is -- there is economic things that you would like, there is legitimacy on the world stage, but without a doubt, we wouldn't be here if north korea was not at the point where they