within the conservative base. i think that that makes one more reason why you want to go for somebody that's safe and easy. i don't think it has as much drama as gorsuch. which i thought it was best role in the presidency. but it has star significant. it's going to create a majority. >> one of the reasons i agree with david that it hasn't had as much drama as gorsuch, but there's been more chaos. gorsuch we had the sense that he made a decision and moved on. up until this morning and certainly over the weekend, we were hearing names coming up, going down, that et we weren't sure that he really knew who he was going to pick. >> why do you think interested that it you say hardiman. why do you think kavanaugh might be a problem? >> this has been fascinating because all four of these