these hackers that i discussed and i'll get back to it, just bear with me for a moment. they hacked a certain e-mail account and there was information about manipulations conducted within the democratic party to incline the process in favor of one candidate. and as far as i know the entire party literature resigned. they admitted the fact of manipulation, so that's one thing that manipulations where in the public opinion should start and an apology should be made to the public at large instead of looking at the responsible party at fault. >> general hayden, he's defending the hacking? >> actually he's pretty knowledgeable about the hacking is the lesson i took from that interchange, don. and i think the public record is that there was no manipulation of the e-mails. frankly, if you're going to do