there. they want to convince him, calm him down. there's no point in shooting anybody. any shootout with the lapd is going to end quickly and badly. in the mean time they're giving their guys time to set up. if he's in a room and hold up, they're going to have to breach a wall. and if the shooting starts for any reason, they're going to have to move in very quickly. but right now they've got it contained, got the guy holed up and i would imagine he has at least a comhostages. and they're debriefing everybody who's coming out of there. figure out what's going on. again it's intelligence right now and calming down the situation as fast as they can. >> and what we're looking at right now is police putting up police tape even farther away from this trader joe's grocery