just like cnn, abc, nbc, cbs, all the networks take turns as the one reporter who's going to be in the room when the president has meetings. it just happened to be kaitlan's day today. it could have been any reporter. and i think that's why we're seeing solidarity across the press corps. this is another escalation by a white house that looks really weak. this is not a behavior of a confident white house. this is the behavior of a white house on defense. and i think it's worth noting, this is bill shine, who used to be the co-president over at fox news. he was a journalist for many years as well as an acclaimed television producer. he know better than this, wolf. >> i can only assume the president ordered him to do it. i don't know that -- >> that's my expectation, as well. >> that's only what i can assume. >> and i've been e-mailing sarah sanders for the past couple of hours, asking her for comment. silence. >> what do you think, gloria, will bill shine speaking for the white house apologize? >> it's hard to know. this white house doesn't apologize very much. donald trump doesn't apologize. this is a rough start for bill