attorney for a moment, his perception is also skewed because of what he's going through. but when you look at the tape, muck laughlin had backed away, there is a distance, he's not towering over him. the idea of taking out the gun pointing it, i'm almost okay with that. but the idea of center of mass shooting and killing a man over a push that has now ended, i don't see the justification. >> hey, mark, i think benjamin is right in saying when the gun comes out, the decedent appears to take a few steps back, probably a few seconds, a split second, taken off the clock. is it fair to say you were og to