reason to believe him now based on his motivation to reduce his sentence. so he's got to be calm and straightforward about it. i think you'll see a kind of dynamic battle in court and jim will hear if he's there, a sort of sneering, sarcastic aggressive questioning on the one hand by the defense attorney and a very straightforward, flat, yep, that's right by gates himself. so they'll only draw blood, i think, if they convince the jury he is lying now. he did a lot worse things than rick gates -- >> that's what i want to ask you. gates is an admitted criminal and liarwho stole from manafort. does that hurt his credibility with the jury? >> sure. but that happens in case after case after case when you have a