companies are women. that's 16.5% are women. that's the pool that that lot of companies look to, who's in the c suite that can actually move up to that post. it is a pipeline issue that we've got to concentrate more than people who are heading big divisions of these companies to see who is ready and not only concentrate on who is in the corner office right now. >> i've been covering this for a decade and i've heard that so much, the pipeline, the pipeline. it's sort of like when do you stop talking about it and doing it? you have mandates in europe, for example women on boards in germany. are we at that point? it begs the question. because, eileen, when you look at what's happened in the last few months, ceos of campbell's, hp, mattel, all were women, all of them now being replaced by men. all of them. and indra. >> that's all true. we are stalled.