that's how any competent lawyer would act. giuliani in my opinion is not acting as a lawyer but acting as somebody providing a distraction who's probably not even fully briefed by the legal team, who's just going out there and spouting words. and i think he's really doing damage to his client because we're all taking this seriously and dissecting what he says. but there's no strategy in using imprecise language and making news yourself. he shouldn't be the news. his client should be the news and they should be careful how they advance forward. >> is it possible giuliani is giving the president a reason to demand to testify in order to clari clarify this? >> well, he's not intentionally giving mueller a reason, of course. but donald trump can clear this up by testifying under oath. there's no doubt about that. i suppose one could also say