attacked through their e-mail accounts. these hackers send them phishing e-mails. take us inside the mind of a hacker. why do they want in? what do you think they're looking for? >> for some control here supposedly supposedly, the threat actors in this case are nation states like russia, for example, so they obviously want to influence the election, and one of the most common ways to attack these individuals, to get access to their e-mail, is through phishing attacks. phishing attacks are extremely effective, and when we're actually -- when my team is actually testing corporate america, public and private sector systems, we use the same type of trade craft and it's usually 100%. so this is a very common technique. >> officials say russian hackers targeted the voting systems in at least 21 states back in 2016. right now, it's unclear if they're doing just that at the moment, but there was a hacking convention last weekend and i had a chance to speak to a guy