connection with john mccain, the word, integrity. bill, in your view, what was it about mccain's integrity and his character in general, perhaps, that commanded such universal respect in washington, which isn't easy? >> i mean sh obvious , obviousl went through as a p.o.w., his reaction to that, that's just so unimaginable almost. that, you know, there are others, honestly, who are heroic in circumstances like that and went on to live lives. mccain really went beyond sort of that was the basis you might say of the beginning of his public career. he went so much beyond that. even if that hadn't happened, i think mccain would be a huge figure as a senator if he had not, you know, been a p.o.w. and had, you know, fought in vietnam and just come back and because of what he did in the senate, but also beyond the senate. very few senators become national leaders. jackson was one when i was younger, teddy kennedy if you were a liberal, taft in the old