we saul donald trump praising paul manafort for not flipping. calling him courageous and brave. we saw him thanking the approximate. the dog whistling back and forth sug suggesting the president is looking to pardon paul manafort. he would bring in another lawyer if the in house white house counsel is not willing to draft this pardon. the question is still out there. does paul manafort want to cooperate or just buying time waiting for the president to pardon him? >> interesting. what does it tell you that mueller's concerns were great enough that the talks stalled? >> well first of all don't forget mueller has most of the cards here if not all of them. i think both of my colleagues here have made that point clear.