told we'd never get a hearing. then we got a hearing. we were told we'd never get a markup. we got a markup. we were told we'd never get it oit of committee. our bill got out of committee and is now on the floor. i'm convinced if majority leader mcconnell would give us a vote, it would pass by a veto-proof majority. so i just -- i am more optimistic about the relevance and value of that bill perhaps than others. >> senator chris coons, thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you, john. >> so it's times like these you find yourself asking why don't we have a former white house counsel who served during a major scandal to talk to? well, luckily tonight we do. former nixon white house counsel john dean, he joins us, along with david gergen who also served in the nixon white house, and harvard's alan dershowitz who most certainly did not. he is the author most recently of "the case against impeaching trump." welcome. i want to start with you, as a former white house counsel who knew too much, how much of this departure has to do with the