>> deal with the monkey thing. >> however, he can squander those disadvantages -- excuse me, those advantages, if he speaks this way again. i don't believe there's racism in his heart -- >> why didn't he apologize? >> there's certainly no pattern of that. i think he should apologize. and also, chris, he needs to up his game. he needs to get ready. this race has been nationalized, right? and that was a pretty friendly interview. he's going to face much more hostile interviews the way i da on your show quite a bit. he needs to up his game. i think he will. i think he can. the voters can be forgiving. also as somebody who is on live television as you are, as angela is every day, i know i say things sometimes that sound very different than i meant. i'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt that's what happened here. >> angela? >> well, i'm not surprised that steve is giving him the benefit of the doubt. what i am surprised by is steve's comparison of my good friend of almost 15 years andrew gillum to chairman mao. i certainly have never seen andrew try to suggest or even enact any such policies that could be compared to him.