waving their hands, not the democrats. but let me just say this. first, we have said -- again, we go way, way back. we have said a million times to each other, elections matter. if you want to blame somebody, don't blame trump, don't blame bush, blame hillary clinton for the crappy campaign she ran. >> you could sit here and say that, you know, if the shoe was on the other foot -- by the way, the shoe was never on the other foot. they released all the papers on kagan. they released all the papers on roberts. what's important at this moment is to know what was advised by kavanaugh at the white house. look, we want to talk about -- >> i think that's exactly why they should not be. that's the nature, nadeam and fred, of executive privilege, to allow staffers to know if they're going to give their advice freely and openly to the chief executive, that's it's not going to come back and they're not going to have to explain it