from comedians to rock stars he was disinvited. and steve bannon, i think, had a good retort to all of this. he said, after being contacted several months ago and with seven weeks of continual requests for this event i accepted the "new yorker's" invitation with no thought of an honorarium. the reason for my acceptance is simple, i would be facing one of the most fearless journalists of his generation in what i would call a defining moment, david remnick, the editor-in-chief, showed he was gutless when confronted by the howling online mob. it's interesting. what was the "new yorker" thinking if not controversy around steve bannon that follows him around. >> and this wasn't an interview -- david remnick is a fantastic journalist to be clear and that needs to be said and i think some treatment of him online was crazy, frankly but i do think that this is an ideas festival, not a typical interview, this is not a one-on-one, not a video for their program or the magazine.