personal ger h perjure himself. they did a mock interview. trump failed and in the book he described trump as a quote, f'ing liar and he would end up in an orange jump suit if he testified. doud then goes to mueller and what happened and how crucial is this moment? >> the quote in this book that the president would end up in an orange jump suit, woodward reports that john doud actually said that directly to the president. he didn't say the bleeping liar to him. woodward reports that's what he was thinking but couldn't say, but he's so convinced that the president is incapable of telling the truth, according to woodward's book, that he and another attorney, present personal attorney jay sekulosek they go to the president's office, this is unprecedented behind the scenes, the word we use about mueller in the investigation is secretive. we've never seen this. they go to the office and in an