reported extensively here. he says don't testify, it is that or an orange jump suit. there is a whole exchange with the president where he tried to have the president to sit down for a mock interview to prove he was incapable of telling the truth. the president says i will be a real good witness. and he said you're not a good witness, mr. president, i'm afraid i just can't help you, the next morning, dowd resigned. maybe that is showing that he is less likely than ever to testify for the special council. >> let's just talk about the denies for a minute, i think it is important to say that bob