boorishness to rough play and could be described a range of things. i know her perception of it was one way. i'm just saying i think we have to get all of the facts. >> now, again, kavanaugh denies all of it. not saying this was as she said rough horseplay. he's saying none of this ever happened. what did you make of that? >> what i'm just saying is she should not say that and treat the allegation seriously. i will say conceited optically, republicans are damned if they do or not have a hearing. those who brought forth the evidence, they're supposed to be in at this point. as a woman who deeply understands the pain of somebody who might have been through this, more than i would like to, i'm also somebody who would like to vet the facts and it can't