states, vermont, wyoming, alaska, the dakotas have just over 3.5 million constituents. so when you see it laid out like, that look at all those people. do you think it's fair to say that in america the majority rules? >> no, i think it's very clear that the majority doesn't rule. but it didn't even rule in the last election. but obviously, the system was designed that way. i don't think that the founders anticipated the extent to which the structure that they had created would cause this kind of polarization. even look, i think the red state-blue state can be misleading there is a lot of blue voters in red states and a lot of red voters in blue states. upstate new york is not brooklyn. but i do think there is a way in which the populations who have a disproportionate influence on our politics are therefore treated as though they are the